LethargicAcid

umm green tea decaf ?

true, i shouldnt have made it so black and white

To start off, I would like to say that : Some people have HPPD with anxiety/DP/depression, and some people just have harmless HPPD and don't care about it. 4 of my friends in real life have HPPD but don't care about it at all; they still continue to smoke everyday and trip frequently. My theory is: The people who have debilitating HPPD seemed to get it from a horrifying trip. I think that this horrifying trip may have been a mental breakdown deep in the subconscious. So deep in the subconscious, that it is hard to access these memories while sober. And they are so traumatizing that it causes anxiety each time u see a visual. So basically, we associate the visuals with that bad trip trauma, meaning it is some type of PTSD. Also, I think we may have had this "mental breakdown" which caused HPPD, DP, anxiety, depression etc.. because our parents didnt teach us how to process emotions correctly, so the mind-expanding drug just messed things up somehow. Does that sound like u guys? "HPPD-PTSD mental breakdown- induced by mind-expanding drugs" Basically we had a horrible trip that defiled us I guess? So I guess its a form of PTSD? Whoever is reading this, please comment on: -was the drug experience that you had extremely frightening/mental breakdown? (for me, i lost all contant with reality to the point where I could barely hold a glass of water and was pacing back and forth for 5 hours alone nonstop, fear) I mean, why would simply visuals cause so much mental illness? I do not think that HPPD is some sort of brain damage. If it is, what proof? Besides, brain damage does not cause anxiety of what Im aware of. Plus I dont think psychedelics can cause brain damage anyway, unless u take like 1000x the dose. Does not seem likely at all. What is the root of all of this anxiety? Is it purely visuals? I dont think so because some people are born with Visual Snow and they arent Depersonalized. So I theorize that a horrifying trip that caused the HPPD traumatized us. And the visuals that we get are like flashbacks in some way. Like a mental breakdown? To get into the subconscious, options: -meditation -drugs -hypnotherapy -(ok im going to get critisized probobly) psychic readings I think that this "mental breakdown" is so deep-rooted that its hard to access while sober, plus its extremely frightening and thats why we are Depersonalized from it, to numb. The drugs that cause HPPD are seratonin-based, so it would be hard to access these alleged traumas while sober, i theorize. Please comment, give opinions and experiences of how u got HPPD. was it a bad trip?

Obviously, the root of the stress/anxiety is very deep in the subconscious. Theory: seratonin-based drugs are what seem to cause this shit. So I guess seratonin lets us go deep within ourselves? So its hard to access those memories while sober. In my opinion, the "Drug-Induced Mental Breakdown PTSD HPPD" theory seems like the most possible thing that we all(ones who are traumatized) suffer from. I should make a post about this. And get peoples experience and opinions to see if this is the answer. I am gonna go meditate right now but I will later hopefully. Thanks Jay

question: could this HPPD be a mental breakdown of sorts resulting from drug use? a mental breakdown of the subconscious that we arent conscious of while sober?

4 of my friends have HPPD without anxiety though ...... I was calling them freaking out while they were like "dude chill out its not even bad" plus they smoke every day and continue to trip frequently. I have HPPD but the visuals are not debilitating, the anxiety-based problems like DP are the "problem". i guess numbness is a problem. But i get anxious every time i see a visual so maybe thats like a PTSD flashback.

do u have Depersonalization still? Sigmund Freud, famous psychologist, theorized that dreams are the subconscious insecurities. u arent psychotic lol. dont believe that. u are probably just having wild dreams because theres a lot of unresolved fears in your subconscious. Only you would know deep down

eating extremely healthy and sleeping consistantly is very important.

i suggest getting valerian root supplements. they are like natural, weak benzos, arent addictive, lessen anxiety, over the counter, natural

Sigmund Freud, famous psychologist, theorized that dreams are the subconscious fears. So I think that ur so scared of the trauma that you have, and you keep dissociating by distracting urself/taking drugs, that u are even dissociated from dreams. I think that u should take control of ur life. sorry if that sounds blunt, but I think its the best thing u can do. seriously. It will probably be the hardest thing u ever do, but definitly worth it. I always tell people to do meditation. It is about controlling ur mind.

Why? is the anxiety directly related to the visuals? If so, then simply accepting the visuals would be the answer. Not saying that is easy. or is the anxiety due to deep subconscious instabilities(trauma) that happened during the trip that started HPPD? I mean, did the trip that activated HPPD open the mind to uncomfortable levels? (i made a post about this, theorizing that this is some type of PTSD) Either way, it seems like a type of Post-Traumatic-Stress-Disorder I do not think that this is some sort of brain damage. and I certainly hope not. anxiety/DP is not a symptom of brain damage I know people with HPPD who do not have cognitive illnesses. I think that the "cure" to this is to face the underlying anxiety that we are dissociated from. Questions: was the drug experience that activated HPPD a "bad" trip that opened memories that were too much to bear? do u think that the anxiety is directly related to the visuals? some type of PTSD in which we cannot escape from the visuals so we dissociate because we're scared? -if so, then therapy/meditation would be the plausible cure.

how did u beat it? my symptoms are very low now, but i still have DP. you may come to realize that you didnt beat it. Because I thought that I did but I still have cognitive symptoms...

I dont understand HPPD. Why does it cause anxiety? cuz we obsess over it? or is it some sort of PTSD?

I got my HPPD from a HOORIBLE shroom trip. Im starting to maybe attribute my type of HPPD to PTSD-related.

can u guys please describe your trips that gave you HPPD? -fear?, etc.. -dissociation? -feeling like ur not in reality (i had all 3 of those, extremely intense fear. It was so bad to the point where I couldnt even hold a glass of water. I was pacing back and forth for 5 hours. during the trip, I knew that I would neveer be the same)

please, do your best to be positive. Lobotomizer, He is a success story and he helped me out.

learn to meditate do yoga excersize sleep well get into healthy living and face the anxieties head on. makes a great person. I am dealing with a lot of bad shit too dude, this is my honest opinion of how to get better. I think u should definitly learn deep breathing to control the panic attacks. <3 love, strength, beauty

I have a theory that HPPD is a sort of PTSD from using mind-expanding drugs. Since all of us seem to get it from a bad trip. And this is the only negative effect from psychedelics (other than psychosis) So we get a bad trip, get PTSD meaning our brain hasnt processed the trauma, so we still get visuals. I think im gonna make a youtube video about it or something. Does anyone agree? disagree?

thanks 50's, I have a theory that HPPD is just PTSD from a bad trip My point is that I dont think that just going drug free is going to cure it. I think that some people have HPPD without PTSD, in which it goes away. In my opinion, u gotta process the bad trip. which is scary as fuck. U gotta go thru the pain and everything. Very enlightening. So thats why im doing meditation and shit to get ahold of this PTSD. (theory) Why else would it cause anxiety, depression, dissociation? all symptoms of PTSD. and the visuals are like flashbacks. the visuals are harmless but the deep-rooted PTSD anxiety can make a difference. I think, get control of ur life, sleep well, eat healthy, face ur fears. Basically man up. Thats what I am doing at least. When i got HPPD 8 months ago, i was just like you. I even went to a mental hospital too and they prescribed me antipsychotics too, ridiculous. I thought it would go away but it didnt. I remember joining these forums just like you. Now im gaining control of my life and am a whole new person since before HPPD. stronger, wiser, healthier.and im not addicted to pot anymore lol. stay strong you are gonna be so strong and such a great person by the time u get over this.

what i did: i stopped looking at the visuals to see if thy would go away or not i stopped analyizing whether i had brain fog or not yes it was hard for me, but whatever u focus on becomes ur reality. So try not to let them distract you?' try to make the visuals be not such a big deal in the grand scheme of things? i mean yeah theyre in youre face but learn to see past them? idk I hear u on the "black sheep" thing, that means that your family loves you conditionally, which isnt real love. I am that, too, and my family totally rejects me. scapegoat for everything. Black sheep means that you were asserting ur own independence away from their rigid rules and traditions, from my experience. Haters will be haters. even if theyre ur own family sadly. Just dont try to change them . -there's actually a SHIT TON of content online about "black sheep" I reccomend watching this video on it

green tea(no caffiene) calms me down, and decreases depression. increases focus. buddhist monks drink it idk if it increases visuals. valerian root doesnt

fuck those psytriatric places, mental institutes? those are like jail. yeah one of those idiot doctors thought i was schizophrenic and was like yelling at me like "youre developing schizophrenia!!!!!!!! idiot why dont u take antipsycohtisc!#$!#$^@" hes like "ive been a doctor for 40 years and you think you know more than me?!!?!?" apparently i do lol.. and i was forced to take them fuck those places, fuck most psychiatrists

first off, stay calm. Its just floaters in your eyes and shit that used to be filtered out but something happened, IDK exactly but worrying never helps.

i feel the same way! HPPD was hard as fuck for me with the DP,but i felt i may have "tamed" it, which is about not fearing it in my opinion. not 100% tamed yet. But at the same time, my "HPPD" is mild now. Thanks!

well we have floaters and stuff in our eyes that the brain normally filters out. so, theoretically, if we learn to ignore the floaters by not focusing(mentally and physically) on them, the brain may learn to filter it again. I was talking to a nurse yesterday about my HPPD(did used to do psychadelics lol), and he says that he sees static on the walls. and he saw floaters when he used to trip, during the trip. my point: he sees static on the walls, which is a symptom of HPPD/Visual Snow Syndrome, but he doesnt care about it, so he never notices it. IDK, maybe theres different kinds of HPPD. But I have a theory that HPPD is a kind of PTSD(post traumatic stress disorder). "if u are scared of something, its hard to let go" - me idk, maybe when HPPD gets to a certain point, its harder to ignore. Maybe theres different kinds of HPPD. IDK 2 of my friends have HPPD, but they dont care about it and continue to do drugs like wax and shrooms. it doesnt affect them negatively in any way at all. my other friend has HPPD but he is totally messed up like many of the people on this forum. I used to be totally traumatized by it, its been 8 months, and now i dont care about it much anymore. BUT, my HPPD is rather mild. and I quit doing ALL drugs. and meditated for hours every day. i think that i have accepted it for the most part. Im not gonna do drugs though.